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Front Flasher (indicator) backplate

Hi all.

Anyone got any idea if the front flasher lamps on the CF1 (the round type on the front valance) were used on anything else? The backplate on one of mine seems to be beyond repair and trying to source a new one. The lenses are Lucas so I assume the guts are too. Any sugestions?

Cheers, Jerry

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Thu 16 Feb 2012 @ 16:13 Edit this messageQuote this messagePMQuote this message
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If it is the one Im thinking off is is on Mini as well

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Have a browse through these. or
[url=http://tinyurl.com/7mr2qlj]these[/url]

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Thu 16 Feb 2012 @ 18:58 View bluebedouin   Email bluebedouin   Edit this messageQuote this messagePMQuote this message
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Are you thinking about the metal chromed holder or the shaped rubberised gasket/ seal?

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Yes, the chromed holder is the part thats kn*ckered (though the spring seems OK), and a new gasket/seal to go with it won't go amiss either. Mikeyboy, - no I don't think any of those are the same, in fact I think they are the ones as on a Mini (domed front as opposed to a flat front on the Beddy) mentioned by Rich, though I s'pose the backplates/holders MIGHT be the same but I suspect not. I have got a pair of new lenses (N.O.S. off eBay for £2.99!)

The part I'm looking for is made up of the chromed holder plate itself, a spring, a bakelite/plastic disc thing with a slot in it where the feed terminates to touch the centre contact of the bulb and the afore-mentioned rubber gasket/seal.

If all else fails I'll just have to improvise. Thanks for your help.

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Alternative to Lucas lamp was Wipac, maybe this one (3 inch diameter but domed lens).

Lenses aren't inter-changeable between Lucas & Wipac though.

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Just found this on ebay. Seems a bit overpriced.
320846743579

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Butlers 1595 are larger diameter than Lucas/Wipac indicator lamps for the CF.

Eye watering pricing is normal for the particular seller aka Adrian Bailey ...

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Tell me about it. That's where I sourced the missing parts for my door handle.

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Wow - thats overpriced even by his standards!! However, its all a bit academic now....Having removed the unit altogether I managed to get it working properly on the bench with a 12v supply. However when I put it back on the van - nothing! At first I thought the holder was just not getting a good earth - but that wasn't it.

I then put a meter on the supply (yes I know I should have done that at the very beginning, but since everything was working fine before it went in to the sprayshop I made assumptions). Anyway, there is no juice going to the lamp.

Just to confirm I swapped the unit with the other side and it worked fine.

Next I followed the cable and discovered that it goes to sort of bullet connector before joining (disappearing into) the main loom. I replaced this but still no joy (the juice is not even getting that far!)

Since the back flasher is working fine the connection at the stalk is obviously OK.. So does anyone (Phil?) know where the cable then 'splits' to feed the back / front? Also, how does the actual flasher unit 'know' when there is a fault? Does it measure/sense the current being drawn? I ask because it is behaving just like there is a dead bulb.

Finally, yesterday evening I noticed the sidelight on the opposite (RH) side was not working - once again I 'assumed' it was just a bulb needing replacing, but have now discovered it too is not getting juice. Coincidence?

Its getting dark now, but would be grateful for any suggestions for things to try tomorrow.

Thanks fellas,

Jerry

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Sorry, forgot to say that if the flasher unit simply sense the current being drawn, then if the worst comes to the worst, could I simply connect a cable from the back lamp to the front? J

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Hi £6.18 brand new at http://bullmotifminispares.com/front_lighting/59/4
from a mini suppliers

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Cheers for that Rich, though they are a different shape to mine so would need to buy 2. But in any event its all academic now . . . . if I can just get it going!

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Try wobbling the bulkhead connector between bonnet hinge & wing on left when viewed from under the bonnet.

Plug to go for has green+white & green+red wires in its harness bundle. Green+white = right hand turn signal, green+red = left hand turn signal.

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Plug also has blue+red & blue+white wires. (Rear harness plug also has green+red & green+white wires.)

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Fri 17 Feb 2012 @ 19:22 Edit this messageQuote this messagePMQuote this message
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Cheers Phil. Have been out this morning tried the wobbling thing but no joy. I'm guessing the next stage is to see if the juice is getting as far as the connector. Do the plugs just pull out? Have tried exerting a bit of force but didn't want to pull too hard in case thats not how they come off!! (I'm calling them plugs even though I don't know if the bit that I'm trying to get off has pins or sockets!)

I note that there are two thumb screw type things at the top and bottom of the bulkhead connector, but I'm guessing these are to remove the whole thing (all three connectors) rather than just one of the plugs.

They're in a right awkward place - wish I'd checked everything before the bonnet went back on. Likewise if the fault transpires to be on the inside (cab side) of the connector block the access is just as awkward! Anyway advice on how to remove the plugs gratefully received!

Thanks, Jerry

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A big hammer?

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The plugs under the bonnet do come out but can be a tight fit. The connector attached to the bulkhead comes out from inside the cab after all the plugs are removed but normally it doesn't need disturbing.

Plugs have female (socket) terminals, connector has male terminals; what can happen is that the terminals become tarnished or corroded.

If the terminals are tarnished but will clean up then, once terminals are clean & bright, gently close up the female terminals for a tighter grip on the male terminals.

If any terminals are corroded then it may be necessary to cut out the female terminal from the plug, poke a thin blade down the side of the male terminal to release it from the connector then splice the wires together for a permanent fix.

Disconnect battery before tinkering with plugs with brown wires attached.

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Well today was the first day that was both dry and warm enough to go messing about outside! Phil, I take my hat off to you sir, as once again your diagnosis proved to be absolutely spot on. In fact, a couple of the pins on the bulkhead connector(ie cab side) had been pushed in (towards cab). Once rectified both sidelight and indicators once again work perfectly.

Once again many thanks to all those who offered assistance, and especially to Phil.

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